If your barrel loses accuracy at the 1500-round mark, then it only worked for three seconds! Feature Articles, bullets @ 3450 fps and I would have a second rechambering to do. I totally agree! You run your standard 6mm brass through the resizing die or bushing die set and you have 22 creedmoor brass. Or better yet, follow us on Facebook to watch our live Q&A. I can tell you for an absolute fact that the 90 gr berger vld at 3400 fps is a death ray for white tails. Thebear_78 Post subject: Re: 22 Creedmoor. Not a trace of it. I had a stand at the top of a rocky hill, surrounded by field. But again, that just my opinion. (Even if they are NOT improvements worth mentioning!) So, it is definitely more than just the energy numbers that is important. For those wanting to know more about the .22 Creedmoor, check out this video we put together for you below! I’ve used the same round on whitetail deer and inside of 100 yards it takes them off their feet and they never know what hit them. I love that gun..I have NEVER shot it..but I love it anyway! Thank you!! Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! But ballistics seem to show that the old 6mm Rem and .260 Rem more than hold their own against the ‘new’ Creedmore offerings. Peterson Cartrid… The damage on fox and cats was just too much for me using the 80.5 Berger . This one has my attention. Some of those popular wildcat cartridges are the 6 Creedmoor, .25 Creedmoor, and now the .22 Creedmoor. We've engineered it around the harmonics of the most popular 22" barrel … I took many deer with that rifle with an 87gr. Barrels chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor tend to require replacement a bit more frequently. The Bergara barrels aren't going to last any shorter or longer than the Tikka barrels. Creedmoor has a wider variety of bullets. Sierra match HP @ 4142 fps with a heavy load of H4350. The reason this cartridge stood out in the first round hit study, is because these heavy for caliber bullets have relatively high ballistic coefficients, and can be launched at fast speeds resulting in less wind and elevation corrections being required. Back in the day, my first ever rifle was a Remington 700 in 6mm. As far as the accuracy is concerned, even though the reamer is throated for long bullets, it still manages to shoot those short pills good enough for the job I'll need it to do. So, the 22-250 would have slightly better life than 243, but close enough to not be a deciding factor at all, the 6.5 Creedmoor will have MUCH better life than these 2. However, after running basic ballistic numbers on the 22 CM it looked very interesting. For a varmint cartridge, 95% of your shots will be inside 500 yards, and probably 80% inside 300. Using 1000 yards as a distance benchmark, the 6mm CM drops 8.1 mils, and the 6.5 CM with the Hornady 147 ELD-M drops 8.7 mils. I’m not saying the 22 CM is anywhere close to becoming a big factory rifle/cartridge offering any time soon; but it is gaining industry support, with brass, dies, ammunition on the market. *Actually there IS a potential downside — reduced barrel life. It is ready for varmints or predators, dealing with windy conditions or even pursuing pronghorn to deer-sized big game. I am having the action trued up and will be bedding it into either a Savage laminate stock or an H-S Precision composite stock. From the loaders manual, the stated velocity was 3300 FPS. Tags Barrel Burners Barrel Erosion Barrel Life Bartlein Barrels Boron Nitride Coating David Tubb Krieger Barrels Moly Coated Bullets Rifle Barrels About Cal Cal Zant is the shooter/author behind PrecisionRifleBlog.com. It flipped him over backwards and he never so much as twitched his tail. The point of this wildcat is to use heavy for caliber bullets, which most if not all of the “old” 22s cannot do. The 22 CM drops below that 800 ft-lb threshold at between 600 to 775 yards depending on the bullet and velocity of Copper Creek’s different offerings. The industry standard 308 load of a 168 grn Sierra Match King bullet at 2650 fps is no match for the more modern high BC cartridges. Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:14 am . 22 BR; 30 BR; 17 Cal; 20 Cal; 223 Rem; 22-250; 6 PPC; 6XC; 243 Win; 6.5x47; 6.5-284; 7mm.308 Win; Rimfire; Smiths; Optics; Stocks; Actions; Barrels; Bullets; Varmint; Vendors; Polls; Books; Calendar; HELP; Contact ; Sponsors; Advertise; Startling Facts About Barrel Life Barrels Lose Accuracy After a Few Seconds of Bullet-in-Barrel Time. With a 22 BRA (22 BR with 40deg shoulder) you’ll have plenty of velocity. This data sheet will cover the .22 Creedmoor. Due to high speeds and small bore, the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridges can’t last as long. Gun “writers” simply ran out of stuff to write about..and manufacturers ran out of “new and improved” items to sell. BAck in the 70’s we used to shoot 85gr Sierra hollow point boat tail bullets in our 6mm Rems. This allows for fast and accurate second round corrections, which is a big advantage while hunting or competing. The experimentation from seasoned hand loaders and predator hunters found that the 6.5 Creedmoor case had the perfect case capacity to push heavy .224 bullets. With all that being said I don’t think the 22 CM will have any problems making clean kills on deer size game out to 400-450 yards with solid shot placement. Whether the .22 CM will ever go mainstream, I cannot guess, though the Creedmoor name does seem to … Well said. The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to .22 cal. What twist rate should you run on your 22 Creedmoor? The fact that several vendors are manufacturing 22 CM brass certainly makes handloading simpler. With good bullets, medium sized game can be taken quite easily with some 22 calibers. What is the difference between the 22 Creedmoor and the 22 Cheetah? for a $50 discount on the price below from March 20 through April 05, 2020. The only thing needed is a fast twist barrel to stabilize the long, high BC bullets; 1 x 7 – 7.5 twist. Derrick. So I ordered a reamer from PTG and decided to rechamber my 220 Swift to this caliber. Top . Mark I shoot a 22-6mm rem which is a touch faster but very similar in performance. Not trying to start a war on the very interesting .22 thread. I'm using Redding Type S dies for a 6 Creedmoor. I also shot an impala with a headshot, it took almost half the head off. It can certainly put shooters on notice that some chamberings (such as the 6-284) are likely to be a barrel burners. When it comes to barrel life, we believe it’s safe to say that .308 Winchester cartridges have a longer lifespan. Absolutely unbelievable accuracy and precision that most don't believe when I tell them about it. 22 creedmoor is SUPERIOR to 22-250 AND 220 swift. And what could you expect barrel life to be? Bullet diameter                       .224, Shoulder angle                        30 degrees, Rim diameter                          .468, Case length                             1.92 inches, Primer type                             Large and small. My average shot on coyotes is between 200 and 300 yards and about the same on crows. If you get open shots at deer, those little hollow points really ground them. Any of these groupes would be acceptable for hunting, but 41.7 is the winner and that's what we will load up for the season, velocity should be around 3450 fps which gives him a trajectory that is identical to the one he has with his 26 Nosler out to 700 meters, so the small rifle will be a great trainer for the big gun. Then the 22 CM would be right at home in the field where it belongs. The good news is that Hornady, Peterson, Gunwerks, Atlas Development Group (ADG) and Alpha Munitions are all selling factory brass now, so no more necking down the 6 CM for me. The only drawback to the whole deal is that my barrel has a slow twist (1-14) so it's designed to shoot really light bullets, not exactly what the caliber was designed for but I will live with that for this season especially since my .243 is my main gun and I only use this one when there is no snow on the ground. Since its’ inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. While some think that energy is not the all-important factor and cite archery and sub-sonic hog hunting as an example; really can’t argue that either. Getting quality headstamped brass with no fire forming is what sets the 22 creedmoor apart from the 250ai. On average a 6.5 Creedmoor shooting factory ammo will die at around 2,000-2,500 rounds. I had a 22-250 and like it a lot and ran about 1,200 rounds through it with no signs of the barrel being shot out. Life Extenders For PRS you don’t actually need all the speed the 22 CM has to offer from longer barrels. La saison 2 prend son envole, le premier vidéo est maintenant en ligne. Deemed by some as the perfect Predator Hunting cartridge, the .22 Creedmoor is a .224 projectile seated in a 6.5 Creedmoor parent case. I have killed a couple with that round as well..but it took a lot longer to do so. As a sponsored shooter, Jeff has represented notable industry names such as: Benelli, 5.11 Tactical, Bushnell, Blackhawk, DoubleStar, and Hornady. I will NEVER be caught shooting anything ending in “Creedmoor”, but I do have a 22x47 Lapua which despite what those Kryptek-clad Creedmoor fanboys will tell you is essentially the same thing. Personally, I shoot all three but my favorite is the 6x47 even though it has an expected barrel life of 2500 rounds. What is the MSP. On unknown distance targets, that flatter trajectory would result in more hits. All harvests have been one shot kills. I tried to find an email for Mr. Cramblit – with no luck. Both these rounds are considered fantastic for long-range shooting. Yes deer are half the size of a man and do not have body armor but even the mostly ignorant DOD civilians are letting the military look at larger calibers than .22 because of lack of long range effectiveness. bullet in the 3470 fps range, so I loaded a couple of test batch and handed them over to Francis for the accuraccy tests. Up until this year it was a little difficult to find 6 mm brass if you were not … I built the 22 CM to be a dual-purpose gun, or actually a 3-purpose gun. The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to.22 cal. Here’s my issue – or more correctly, just a question. During filming of our Primal Rights Predator Management 2016 bluray, I used this barrel in my Desert Tech to smash over two dozen coyotes. The process for making that brass was easy enough, but still, somewhat time-consuming. The 22 Creedmoor will come standard with a 1-in-7-inch fast-twist barrel, and combined with the increased volume inside its case, you can push those long pills over at 3,450 feet per second! The heavier bullets being used in the 22 CM range from 75-95 grains. 22 CAL 1-7, 8, 9, 12, & 14 twists, 6.5 available on 26″ or shorter barrels only 223 Rem, 223 Rem Match, 223 Wylde, 223 A.I., 22-250, 22-250 A.I., 220 Swift, 224 Valkyrie, 22 Creedmoor 25 CAL 1-10 twist Loaded ammunition is available with bullets in the 70-75 range leaving 24” barrels at velocities around 3400+ fps, a bit more conservative than personal hand-loading, but still making it a very flat shooting, low recoiling round delivering impressive results. In conclusion, we are sure that the 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Winchester debate is not going to go away any time soon. VIEW PRODUCT Horizon Loaded 22 Creed Ammo 20-Count loaded ammunition available in 75-gr and 88-gr bullets. *Actually there IS a potential downside — reduced barrel life. It’s not unusual to see a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel replaced in the neighborhood of 2,000 – 3,000 rounds with an untreated barrel. When did the 30-30 change from a “brush gun” to a 200 plus yard tack driver?? Part of the beauty of the 22 CM is that it shoots standard .224 caliber bullets that are available almost everywhere for the hand loaders and cost less than larger caliber bullets. PRS matches typically limit bullet speeds to 3200 fps, which coincidentally works well since Copper Creek offers the 22 CM with a 95-grain SMK at 3160 fps based on a 24” barrel. Thanks for the informative story! May 4, 2017 at 5:09 pm. Then along comes the new Creedmore offerings and the shooting world makes me feel like time has passed me by. The cartridge and rifle perform well with my handloads or the factory available ammunition. Superformance powder = the shiznaz ! Fun while it lasted. We plan … In this re-post of a Facebook Live Broadcast Derrick shares why we run a 1:8 twist and what factors you should consider when looking at … The performance of the 22 CM with 75 – 80 grain bullets makes it an outstanding varmint cartridge. The large majority of rounds fired through this rifle were the Sin City Precision team load. The energy of the 250 grain 45 caliber bullet at that distance was only 630 ft-lbs. 1 Reply Last reply . I was already setup to neck down and reload Creedmoor cases for my 6mm Creedmoor so this would just require a different neck bushing. The only real issue that remains on the 22 CM rifle is just how long the barrel is going to last. That growth continues as of this writing, as the cartridge has now gone mainstream with hunters and shooters alike. .22 Creedmoor: Bullet: 75gr Hornady ELD-M: Muzzle Velocity* 3450fps: Ballistic Coefficient G1/G7.467/.235: COAL 2.630″ Recommended Barrel Twist Discounts cannot be retro-actively added after the order is placed. As with the M118LR chambered .308 AR barrels, chrome lined or nitrided models will last considerably longer. What is the difference between the 22 Creedmoor and the 22 Cheetah? The 6.5 Creedmoor has less recoil. All of these Creedmoor cartridges are truly great long-range rounds when compared to the old military/police standard 308. … Dick’s CEO Admits to Destroying $5M Worth of…, Exclusive: Not Worth the Wait. The 308 guys will sing the praises of long barrel life and the high pressure, flat shooting 6 and 6.5 caliber guys with talk about how much they enjoy their ballistics. Everyone wants to think you are going to shoot a 6.5mm cartridge and get .308 Winchester barrel life. He is passionate about shooting sports and the outdoors. Some of those popular wildcat cartridges are the 6 Creedmoor, .25 Creedmoor, and now the .22 Creedmoor. As soon as any new cartridge hits the mainstream market, hand loaders start tinkering with it making wildcat variations. Considerably less powder, longer barrel life, slightly less recoil, and I bet it will be easier to tune. Barrel life 6.5 CM I wouldn't sweat the barrel life on a Predator model in this caliber. Now for the meaty part, barrel life, barrel life, barrel life. Barrel life 6.5 CM I wouldn't sweat the barrel life on a Predator model in this caliber. PRS matches typically limit bullet speeds to 3200 fps, which coincidentally works well since Copper Creek offers the 22 CM with a 95-grain SMK at 3160 fps based on a 24” barrel. Seriously doubt any significant difference. Horizon 22 Creedmoor Ammo | 88-gr ELDM $ 42.99 Add to cart Quick View; Horizon Firearms 22creedmoor.com Rifle $ 2,599.00 Add to cart Quick View; Peterson Cartridge 22 Creedmoor Head-stamped Brass | 50-count $ 55.95 Read more Quick View; Peterson Cartridge 22 Creedmoor Head-stamped Brass | 500-count BULK $ 559.00 Add to cart Quick View Primers show no signs of pressure, Standard Deviation is very low (8) and the H4350 is much less affected by temperature changes than H-380 so it's a win win situation. Barrel life might be spectacularly short but it'll be a great time while it lasts! Well, the good news is the 22 CM seems to have all the energy needed for the task. And now, the .22 Creedmoor, which is a .22 caliber projectile stuffed in a 6.5 Creedmoor case. For the third purpose, hunting deer sized game the 22 CM will certainly shoot far enough flat enough to get accurate hits. As far as barrel change out goes, I would start a with a well-known custom action that has well-known pre-fit dimensions. I am here to tell you that is not true what so ever. Now that the guns are done and the season open, hoppefully we'll be able to show you on video how this caliber performs on predators with both light and heavy bullets. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. Best for Value. My Swift load used to push a 50 gr Nosler BT @ 4130 fps with a stiff load of H-380 out of it's 26 inches barrel. Horizon 22 Creedmoor Ammo | 88-gr ELDM $ 42.99 Add to cart Quick View; Horizon Firearms 22creedmoor.com Rifle $ 2,599.00 Add to cart Quick View; Peterson Cartridge 22 Creedmoor Head-stamped Brass | 50-count $ 55.95 Read more Quick View; Peterson Cartridge 22 Creedmoor Head-stamped Brass | 500-count BULK $ 559.00 Add to cart Quick View The barrel is a 26” Rock Creek 1-8” twist MTU contour 5R, chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to .22 cal. 22 Creedmoor shooters aren’t exactly in short supply, but a great deal of them are just coyote hunters like me and won’t be found here. You are quite wrong about using 22s for medium sized game. Maybe not the article to raise this point. So check out the details and run the numbers yourself and consider one for your next rifle build. Barrel Material: 416-R Stainless Barrel Type: 5R Button Rifled Barrel Caliber: 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Length: 22" Barrel Twist: 1:8 Barrel Profile: Heavy Fluted Barrel Gas System: Rifle Inside Finish: Salt Bath Nitride Outside Finish: Salt Bath Nitride Muzzle Thread: 5/8-24 Gas Block Diameter:.750" Gas Block Journal Length: 1.1" Barrel Extension: Big bore vs small bore, back and forth FOREVER. I had a rifle built by Meredith Rifles, using a Defiance action, Bartlein barrel, Manners stock and Nightforce scope. Common Use: Predator Hunting The SF-10 is a compact, lighter, and more dynamic version of the AR10. Yes, the 22 Creedmoor round is made from a necked down version of the 6mm Creedmoor, but the process to step down the brass is easier than most people realize. Then one opening day, when it got daylight, I could see I was surrounded by other hunters. The barrel was rechambered in 22 Creedmoor, cut dow from 27 to 23 inches, a comp was installed on the barrel and then I did a complete refinishing job on the gun. I am just kind of getting in to "long" range. But I am interested in this apparent incongruity. Thanks for the outstanding 22 Creedmoor barrel Travis! I’m up to 3 pronghorn and a pig with my 223 shooting 70 grain tsx, at reasonable ranges. As for the performance, once again I used H4350 to load. We expect that a 22 Creedmoor running hot varmint loads would experience shorter useful barrel life compared to a 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm starting to collect parts for a 22 Creedmoor build. It’s hard to find brass. However, the big question for hunting, is if the small diameter bullets have the energy needed to make clean kills. Ammo, I have personally taken a large Zebra male with a clean headshot with my 22CM shooting a 75gr Hornady ELD-M at 3650 fps, it dropped right on the spot. A closer comparison of the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5 PRC is illuminating. : US 10,365,061 B1 © 2017 BSF Barrels He has been featured on several of Outdoor Channel’s Shooting Gallery episodes and on a Downrange TV series. NRA LIFE MEMBER / RMEF / Montana Wild Sheep Foundation Boone & Crockett Club / Montana Bow Hunters Association . Big game hunters should consider the .308 Winchester. Similar Posts: varmint hunting, Next post: The Kimber K6 Deep Cover – The Snubnose for Today, Previous post: Primary Arms MD-25 Red Dot – Review, I built one after reading this and other articles. The last deer I shot I tucked right inside the shoulder blade as he was quartering towards me and it completely destroyed the opposite lung. Reply Quote 0. With a wide selection of bullets and factory brass available, all that’s needed is reloading dies to put it all together, and with reloading dies now available from major sources such as RCBS, Hornady, Redding, and Whidden, the 22 CM’s seems on the rise. We expect that a 22 Creedmoor running hot varmint loads would experience shorter useful barrel life compared to a 6.5 Creedmoor. hornady spire point. The first was for the coyotes and varmints previously mentioned. Well said. As a matter of fact, I don’t remember but one large buck that ran about 100 yds. More importantly, why all the fuss? Taking a quick look at how the 22 CM compares to some other cartridges will shine a light on its potential. He has followed that passion for over 30 years, hunting and competing in practical pistol, 3gun, precision rifle and sporting clays matches. The available ammunition is priced in line with high-quality hunting and match ammunition, which is taking the 22 CM a step beyond the realm of a wildcat requiring hand-loading, and getting closer to that of being a factory product. Almost all fell in their tracks. We’ve already stated that the primary goal of this article would be to provide useful information that would help readers make an informed decision on their own. Furthermore, .22 Creedmoor brass is available, and Hornady will be releasing brass very soon. Everyone I know that uses one considers it to be a 50-150 yard gun, at best! Similar Posts: Necking down 6.5 Creedmoor or 6 Creedmoor brass is a no-brainer. All Local Sales are FREE! Just finished testing first customer’s rifle and very impressed to say the least! Patent No. How does 22CM compare to a 22-250 with a 1-7.5 twist ? As the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor has increased, so has the number of wildcat cartridges based off of it. I need to get some better glass if I am going to reach out farther consistently. If you want just 1 rifle the 243 has the ability to be a MPBR/old school varmiter right slong with the 22/250, but a much better Deer?antelope rifle. Summary. This makes an outstanding round with only 7.1 mils drop at 1000 yards, and 1.7 … Gotta love the experts who denounce new cartridges as useless just because they own something similar. Use sale code " KungFlu2020Barrel!" Reply. Nobody routinely uses a 45-70 or a 30-30 where they anticipate regular shots at over 100-150 yards; stupid comparison. I have also been shooting a .260 Rem out of a M700 for almost as long. Rdlningcltchdmpr. During filming of our Primal Rights Predator Management 2016 bluray, I used this barrel in my Desert Tech to smash over two dozen coyotes. The Inconclusive,…, Winchester Introduces New Wildcat Super Speed. The velocity even of 120 gr ELD at 2910 fps is 330 fps slower than an 87 gr V-Max at 3240 fps. I also had a 243 that shot very well and really enjoyed the 243. This is based on what we’ve observed with .22-250 and .22-250 Ackley barrels compared to our 6.5 CM barrels. I presume the Alpha brass is good too. AR10 Accuracy Barrel® 6.5 Creedmoor by EABCO - Our DPMS compatible 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10 Accuracy Barrel® is a Heavy Profile, Long Range PRS style upgrade that will maximize the range and accuracy of your AR-10 rifle. Not so likely. Related Tags: so it went from looking like that. These barrels cannot be substituted in place of custom configurations already on order. I truly don’t believe a senseable person would use ANY .22 caliber rifle for deer hunting. These bullets have the higher energy levels, perform better in the wind, and should have a longer barrel life than the faster lighter bullets. ✌. Do a 22 BR or 22 BRA. Well, it seems opinions are mixed, and you know what they say about opinions. I have plenty like that..including my original model ’73 Winchester in .38-40! In MY worthless opinion, if you have 5 or 6 REALLY accurate rifles for varmint hunting, and at least a couple for EACH larger animal you hunt..then the same for various target sports..then you really have all the calibers and guns that you will have any USE for. This caliber has a very wide accuracy node and this one settled in at 3458 fps with 80 Grain Berger VLD’s. Initial pressure test showed me that 42 grains would push a 75 gr. Barrel life is more a function of caliber and how hot your handloads are compared to who made the barrel itself. The Creedmoor has a maximum SAAMI pressure of 62,000 psi and the PRC has a max pressure of 65,000 psi. Stay tuned. It sounds to me like your pissing on the .308, something MANY snipers would disagree with as well. Here's the results from the Berger 75 gr. It’s a great quality barrel, but the only profile available at the time was far heavier than I would have liked, so in order to keep the overall weight of the gun down I had the gunsmith make it shorter, giving up some velocity to gain mobility afield.

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